Thanks for the advice! Yeah I see what you mean about the values on the shorts and looking at the real picture it wouldn't even have really been an exaggeration either. I can really see the lack of definition and sharpness on the left limbs now too after you said something and how a sharper definition would better describe their separate positions, will remember it next time I want to set two overlapping objects apart from each other. Yes this was done in photoshop, probably 90-95% was done with a hard round brush w/ pen pressure opacity, then I used a soft round to blend the rounder soft shapes, and probably about less than 2 minutes with a stippled brush in the hair and the beard. Also got the free trial of mischief, looks cool, I'll have to give it a whirl tomorrow. Once again thank you for the advice, I'm self taught and have a full time job and family, so having people point out my mistakes in the absence of art lessons and teachers is really awesome.